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	<title>Comments on: Notes on a Country I&#8217;ve Never Visited by Darren Elliott</title>
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	<description>Down into the rabbit hole of ELT in Turkey (and now China)</description>
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		<title>By: Karenne Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://turklishtefl.com/2010/02/03/notes-on-a-country-ive-never-visited/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Karenne Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Alex!!! I didn&#039;t google it, so thanks so much for giving me the answer - sorry, Nick, you can go back to Turkey now :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Alex!!! I didn&#8217;t google it, so thanks so much for giving me the answer &#8211; sorry, Nick, you can go back to Turkey now <img src='http://turklishtefl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grammar schools are a hangover from the old system of exams at 11 to determine if you go to the elitist and very middle class grammar schools or the mainly working class secondary moderns. The comprehensive system was a right on attempt to merge the two and is mainy what we have now. Back in my day some people chose comprehensives for ideological reasons even if the was a local grammar school that their kids could have got into. Given the number of Labour MPs with their kids in private schools, I doubt that&#039;s true very much anymore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grammar schools are a hangover from the old system of exams at 11 to determine if you go to the elitist and very middle class grammar schools or the mainly working class secondary moderns. The comprehensive system was a right on attempt to merge the two and is mainy what we have now. Back in my day some people chose comprehensives for ideological reasons even if the was a local grammar school that their kids could have got into. Given the number of Labour MPs with their kids in private schools, I doubt that&#8217;s true very much anymore</p>
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		<title>By: Karenne Sylvester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karenne Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) Alex, I was given that book by an ex-student who thought I was British and I never read it!!!  Guess that will be my next plane journey or... nah, was gonna say, I&#039;d start reading it now but we all know how much time I spend reading blogs, no time for books &#039;xcept when I&#039;m on holiday.  LOL.

Yes, Darren, the series is on DVD!

Ummm... but there&#039;s one thing I don&#039;t quite understand - public schools were for the &quot;posh&quot; but what were the differences between grammar and comprehensive?  They talk about two girls going to one and one to the other but each thought they&#039;d made the better choice.

Sorry, Nick, &#039;spose I could just google it.

K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://turklishtefl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Alex, I was given that book by an ex-student who thought I was British and I never read it!!!  Guess that will be my next plane journey or&#8230; nah, was gonna say, I&#8217;d start reading it now but we all know how much time I spend reading blogs, no time for books &#8216;xcept when I&#8217;m on holiday.  LOL.</p>
<p>Yes, Darren, the series is on DVD!</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230; but there&#8217;s one thing I don&#8217;t quite understand &#8211; public schools were for the &#8220;posh&#8221; but what were the differences between grammar and comprehensive?  They talk about two girls going to one and one to the other but each thought they&#8217;d made the better choice.</p>
<p>Sorry, Nick, &#8216;spose I could just google it.</p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - my wife read that book with increasing dismay as she realised how common I am....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; my wife read that book with increasing dismay as she realised how common I am&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: turklis1</title>
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		<dc:creator>turklis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a funny book out called Stuff White People Like in a similar vein about Americans.  It tends to focus on middle and upper-middle class next generation hippie types, but it&#039;s good for a laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a funny book out called Stuff White People Like in a similar vein about Americans.  It tends to focus on middle and upper-middle class next generation hippie types, but it&#8217;s good for a laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: turklis1</title>
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		<dc:creator>turklis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really agree with you Karenne.  You can learn a lot about other cultures through other people, programs, books, etc and I often find outsiders have a better perspective on what&#039;s happening in a country than the actual people living there do.  Outsiders come with perspective and comparisons that insiders can rarely make.  Both have good insights to help understand the bigger picture really. 

Ironically, I remember a student I had when I did a class on 9/11.  She said that many Americans couldn&#039;t see the reality that the government implemented the attack because they didn&#039;t have the distance and objectivity necessary to make such judgments.  One week later we read an article in Newsweek about some Western opinions on a Turkish incident with some kidnapped soldiers and she was outraged.  She stated that it was ludicrous for foreigners to comment on issues in Turkey because they couldn&#039;t possibly know more than the people living here.  I think this is how most people think.  It&#039;s ok to make judgments on outsiders and an outside opinion is seen as better, but when the same is done to you, it&#039;s unacceptable.   

Also, as I mentioned to Darren in a private conversation, I think stereotype is bandied around a lot these days and is overly applied.  Saying that there is more violence in American schools than elsewhere or that Turks tend to cheat on exams are considered to be stereotyping these days, which I don&#039;t think is really the case.  How many other countries do you know where guns at school are a serious issue?  Obviously we should take precautions and raise awareness based on this knowledge.  In the same way, I&#039;m going to take preventive measures against cheating in my Turkish classes.  Many people these days seem to be confusing stereotyping with trends and data analysis.  It&#039;s an over-application of PC culture and a Western desire to see everyone as unique and individual.  Interesting, but sometimes annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with you Karenne.  You can learn a lot about other cultures through other people, programs, books, etc and I often find outsiders have a better perspective on what&#8217;s happening in a country than the actual people living there do.  Outsiders come with perspective and comparisons that insiders can rarely make.  Both have good insights to help understand the bigger picture really. </p>
<p>Ironically, I remember a student I had when I did a class on 9/11.  She said that many Americans couldn&#8217;t see the reality that the government implemented the attack because they didn&#8217;t have the distance and objectivity necessary to make such judgments.  One week later we read an article in Newsweek about some Western opinions on a Turkish incident with some kidnapped soldiers and she was outraged.  She stated that it was ludicrous for foreigners to comment on issues in Turkey because they couldn&#8217;t possibly know more than the people living here.  I think this is how most people think.  It&#8217;s ok to make judgments on outsiders and an outside opinion is seen as better, but when the same is done to you, it&#8217;s unacceptable.   </p>
<p>Also, as I mentioned to Darren in a private conversation, I think stereotype is bandied around a lot these days and is overly applied.  Saying that there is more violence in American schools than elsewhere or that Turks tend to cheat on exams are considered to be stereotyping these days, which I don&#8217;t think is really the case.  How many other countries do you know where guns at school are a serious issue?  Obviously we should take precautions and raise awareness based on this knowledge.  In the same way, I&#8217;m going to take preventive measures against cheating in my Turkish classes.  Many people these days seem to be confusing stereotyping with trends and data analysis.  It&#8217;s an over-application of PC culture and a Western desire to see everyone as unique and individual.  Interesting, but sometimes annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Elliott</title>
		<link>http://turklishtefl.com/2010/02/03/notes-on-a-country-ive-never-visited/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that available on dvd now? Terrific series... started before I was born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that available on dvd now? Terrific series&#8230; started before I was born.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Case</title>
		<link>http://turklishtefl.com/2010/02/03/notes-on-a-country-ive-never-visited/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karenne- As I know Darren will agree, if you enjoyed that just wait until you read Watching the English</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karenne- As I know Darren will agree, if you enjoyed that just wait until you read Watching the English</p>
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		<title>By: Karenne Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://turklishtefl.com/2010/02/03/notes-on-a-country-ive-never-visited/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Karenne Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely post, Darren and Nick - it&#039;s so easy to put people into categories but stereo-types wouldn&#039;t be stereo-types if they weren&#039;t a little bit based in something...

As I said to you months back, I found your comments on Turkey very interesting and more balanced and reasonable than they were taken at the time on Jason&#039;s blog.

Oh, it&#039;s so hard, really - I&#039;m hardly the &quot;stereo-typed&quot; Caribbean, I tell ya.

But you know, while off sick I&#039;ve been watching the 7-up series which films a bunch of kids throughout their lives in Britain, it was TRULY fascinating!!!  

I understood so much more (backwards) about the Brits despite knowing so many of them for so many years - all the insecurities, issues of accents, their rigid class system, opinions regarding education (which made so little sense to me before now) all of it, I got out of.. well, a funny sort of TV program.

Take care,
Karenne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely post, Darren and Nick &#8211; it&#8217;s so easy to put people into categories but stereo-types wouldn&#8217;t be stereo-types if they weren&#8217;t a little bit based in something&#8230;</p>
<p>As I said to you months back, I found your comments on Turkey very interesting and more balanced and reasonable than they were taken at the time on Jason&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s so hard, really &#8211; I&#8217;m hardly the &#8220;stereo-typed&#8221; Caribbean, I tell ya.</p>
<p>But you know, while off sick I&#8217;ve been watching the 7-up series which films a bunch of kids throughout their lives in Britain, it was TRULY fascinating!!!  </p>
<p>I understood so much more (backwards) about the Brits despite knowing so many of them for so many years &#8211; all the insecurities, issues of accents, their rigid class system, opinions regarding education (which made so little sense to me before now) all of it, I got out of.. well, a funny sort of TV program.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
Karenne</p>
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		<title>By: Leila Chirpan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila Chirpan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thoroughly enjoyed that piece.food for thought but I am still ambivalent about not regarding data. I also was happy to find out that there is someone who loves history as much as I if not more. keep up the good writing..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thoroughly enjoyed that piece.food for thought but I am still ambivalent about not regarding data. I also was happy to find out that there is someone who loves history as much as I if not more. keep up the good writing..</p>
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