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		<title>By: Sport is&#8230; &#171; language garden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sport is&#8230; &#171; language garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on and pass on using a myriad of activities from the TEFL pool. Nick takes this a step further in Turklish TEFL, outlining things to consider when putting together your own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Does Language Emerge? &#171; Doing some thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Language Emerge? &#171; Doing some thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nick Jaworski &#8211; An Emergent Curriculum [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sometimes a prop is really the best thing &#8212; www.mikejharrison.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sometimes a prop is really the best thing &#8212; www.mikejharrison.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] learning? by Cecilia Coelho, Emergence by Willy Cardoso, Does language emerge? by Henrick Oprea, An emergent curriculum by Nick Jaworski, What does it mean to say language emerges? by Candy Von Ost, Dogme schmogme by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: turklis1</title>
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		<dc:creator>turklis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, is it simple though, isn&#039;t it?  Interesting how people make it out to be too difficult sometimes.  

As far as core curriculums go, I think having a list of things students should be able to do by the end of a course or semester is good to have to help guide teachers if they&#039;re lost.  However, I don&#039;t think that curriculum should be obligatory or that it should be detailed out to the point of what needs to be done when.  Often the assumption is, &quot;well, the students get it or they don&#039;t&quot; rather than, &quot;let&#039;s help them where they are at and with what they actually want to learn&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, is it simple though, isn&#8217;t it?  Interesting how people make it out to be too difficult sometimes.  </p>
<p>As far as core curriculums go, I think having a list of things students should be able to do by the end of a course or semester is good to have to help guide teachers if they&#8217;re lost.  However, I don&#8217;t think that curriculum should be obligatory or that it should be detailed out to the point of what needs to be done when.  Often the assumption is, &#8220;well, the students get it or they don&#8217;t&#8221; rather than, &#8220;let&#8217;s help them where they are at and with what they actually want to learn&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: turklis1</title>
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		<dc:creator>turklis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, yeah, for sure the DoS or administration is the primary reason.  When I eliminated course books at my branch, the biggest complaint I got from the academic director was &quot;how would we maintain consistency and make sure the teachers are on track.&quot;  

1)  No two classes should ever really be the same.
2)  Hire good teachers and trust them.  The fact that you think you have to force them to do their job and constantly check up on them is in itself one of the biggest problems at most schools.

Man, wish I learned yachting at school (no I don&#039;t) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, yeah, for sure the DoS or administration is the primary reason.  When I eliminated course books at my branch, the biggest complaint I got from the academic director was &#8220;how would we maintain consistency and make sure the teachers are on track.&#8221;  </p>
<p>1)  No two classes should ever really be the same.<br />
2)  Hire good teachers and trust them.  The fact that you think you have to force them to do their job and constantly check up on them is in itself one of the biggest problems at most schools.</p>
<p>Man, wish I learned yachting at school (no I don&#8217;t) <img src='http://turklishtefl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy oh boy, do I wish the Powers That Be (I work in a publicly funded adult/further education college) could see the simplicity and common sense in this!

Part of the requirements of working in FE (further education) is to plan what you&#039;re doing in a scheme of work, linking it with curriculum codes to the Adult ESOL Core Curriculum (a door-stop of a book if ever there was one) and typically I do this for the term (so Autumn term, then Spring then Summer). For ease (in case of absence of teachers due to illness or whatever) this is based on government produced materials (though how much you include them is up to you) and coursebooks. I don&#039;t like the fact, but it does make it a whole lot easier if Peter phones in sick and someone else is teaching my group on a particular day. And I always say to other teachers teaching my group that if they have a better way of covering the particular point, then go for it! I&#039;m planning to include a session a week which will just be for skills practice and dealing with any particular issues that crop up, either for individuals or the whole group.

Cheers for the inspiration, Nick. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy oh boy, do I wish the Powers That Be (I work in a publicly funded adult/further education college) could see the simplicity and common sense in this!</p>
<p>Part of the requirements of working in FE (further education) is to plan what you&#8217;re doing in a scheme of work, linking it with curriculum codes to the Adult ESOL Core Curriculum (a door-stop of a book if ever there was one) and typically I do this for the term (so Autumn term, then Spring then Summer). For ease (in case of absence of teachers due to illness or whatever) this is based on government produced materials (though how much you include them is up to you) and coursebooks. I don&#8217;t like the fact, but it does make it a whole lot easier if Peter phones in sick and someone else is teaching my group on a particular day. And I always say to other teachers teaching my group that if they have a better way of covering the particular point, then go for it! I&#8217;m planning to include a session a week which will just be for skills practice and dealing with any particular issues that crop up, either for individuals or the whole group.</p>
<p>Cheers for the inspiration, Nick. =)</p>
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		<title>By: David Warr</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Warr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick
I&#039;m brimming with personal anecdotes that suggest to me a pre-ordained syllabus is required first and foremost to satisfy a DOS. I have changed over time mind you, especially from when I was at school. The geography teacher once taught us how to understand the shipping forecast. &quot;Is it in the &quot;A&quot; level syllabus?&quot; I demanded. &quot;No!? Then why are we doing it?&quot; Years on though, I enjoy hearing &quot;Sole, Fastnet, 3, occasionally 4, visibility good&quot;. I just wish I had a yacht!
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick<br />
I&#8217;m brimming with personal anecdotes that suggest to me a pre-ordained syllabus is required first and foremost to satisfy a DOS. I have changed over time mind you, especially from when I was at school. The geography teacher once taught us how to understand the shipping forecast. &#8220;Is it in the &#8220;A&#8221; level syllabus?&#8221; I demanded. &#8220;No!? Then why are we doing it?&#8221; Years on though, I enjoy hearing &#8220;Sole, Fastnet, 3, occasionally 4, visibility good&#8221;. I just wish I had a yacht!<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: turklis1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Willy.  I think the scariness really goes back to the CELTA only being a month-long.  Typical 4 year degrees do focus on lot on curriculum development and most teachers have to do it in their first year (although there is often &quot;the book&quot; as a guide :) ).  

While emergence deals with the present, I don&#039;t think the curriculum always has to.  As a teacher, you are constantly connecting emergent phenomena to what happened in the past as well as what you expect to encounter in the future.  I also wouldn&#039;t recommend a rigid adherence to the emergent part of the curriculum.  If your students need work on talking about habits in the past, then plan on lesson on it.  No reason not to do it simply because it didn&#039;t emerge in that particular class.

However, lesson plans are never more than a loose guide of expected goals.  This is where I think both 4-year programs and short CELTA courses really fail at explaining.  Too many teachers are obsessed with &quot;following the plan&quot; who get all tied in knots when they get off the plan.  And I&#039;ve seen more than a few DoSes do the same to me in observations - &quot;Well, you wrote 5 minutes here for practice, but it took 8.&quot;  Very silly.  I like to think of plans as general outlines to be reworked on the spot as needed.  

I agree with you on the failings of pre-service training to prepare teachers for this kind of thing.  However, it can be done. I just finished up with a group of trainee teachers that already started showing signs of this ability within the limited 6 hours of teaching practice.  With more time, it&#039;s definitely possible.  We just need to get away from this bare minimum of gadgets as you said.

Thanks for the comment :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Willy.  I think the scariness really goes back to the CELTA only being a month-long.  Typical 4 year degrees do focus on lot on curriculum development and most teachers have to do it in their first year (although there is often &#8220;the book&#8221; as a guide <img src='http://turklishtefl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).  </p>
<p>While emergence deals with the present, I don&#8217;t think the curriculum always has to.  As a teacher, you are constantly connecting emergent phenomena to what happened in the past as well as what you expect to encounter in the future.  I also wouldn&#8217;t recommend a rigid adherence to the emergent part of the curriculum.  If your students need work on talking about habits in the past, then plan on lesson on it.  No reason not to do it simply because it didn&#8217;t emerge in that particular class.</p>
<p>However, lesson plans are never more than a loose guide of expected goals.  This is where I think both 4-year programs and short CELTA courses really fail at explaining.  Too many teachers are obsessed with &#8220;following the plan&#8221; who get all tied in knots when they get off the plan.  And I&#8217;ve seen more than a few DoSes do the same to me in observations &#8211; &#8220;Well, you wrote 5 minutes here for practice, but it took 8.&#8221;  Very silly.  I like to think of plans as general outlines to be reworked on the spot as needed.  </p>
<p>I agree with you on the failings of pre-service training to prepare teachers for this kind of thing.  However, it can be done. I just finished up with a group of trainee teachers that already started showing signs of this ability within the limited 6 hours of teaching practice.  With more time, it&#8217;s definitely possible.  We just need to get away from this bare minimum of gadgets as you said.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment <img src='http://turklishtefl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dogme Challenge #2 &#8211; Emergence &#171; Authentic Teaching (under refurbishment)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogme Challenge #2 &#8211; Emergence &#171; Authentic Teaching (under refurbishment)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nick Jaworski http://turklishtefl.com/2010/10/20/an-emergent-curriculum/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Willy C. Cardoso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willy C. Cardoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting framework Nick!

The idea might seem quite scary for the novice teacher (when s/he has a voice in curriculum development), since there&#039;s a lack of research in the area it might seem unattainable, i.e. lack of evidence that an emergent curriculum can work well drives away the more pragmatic teacher, who relies on what was accomplished in the past to make present decisions. This is sort of a wrong route to emergence, which is concerned mainly about the present phenomena, in practical terms one can&#039;t really plan more than the following lesson, that is, every lesson brings about unpredictable events that should be considered on the following one, and so on.
It is very possible for new teachers to work on something like this once the focus of their pre-service is on increasing their awareness of everything that goes on in the lesson, some small details, learners&#039; reaction and attitude towards every step taken, and of course an enhanced acknowledgement of the importance of flexibility, distributed leadership and responsibility, the power of self-organization, etc. Initial teacher training cannot be simply a survival kit with &#039;teaching gadgets&#039;.

Thanks for the links, I&#039;ll sure take a good look at them .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting framework Nick!</p>
<p>The idea might seem quite scary for the novice teacher (when s/he has a voice in curriculum development), since there&#8217;s a lack of research in the area it might seem unattainable, i.e. lack of evidence that an emergent curriculum can work well drives away the more pragmatic teacher, who relies on what was accomplished in the past to make present decisions. This is sort of a wrong route to emergence, which is concerned mainly about the present phenomena, in practical terms one can&#8217;t really plan more than the following lesson, that is, every lesson brings about unpredictable events that should be considered on the following one, and so on.<br />
It is very possible for new teachers to work on something like this once the focus of their pre-service is on increasing their awareness of everything that goes on in the lesson, some small details, learners&#8217; reaction and attitude towards every step taken, and of course an enhanced acknowledgement of the importance of flexibility, distributed leadership and responsibility, the power of self-organization, etc. Initial teacher training cannot be simply a survival kit with &#8216;teaching gadgets&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thanks for the links, I&#8217;ll sure take a good look at them .</p>
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